Sunday, August 14, 2011

Two Related LA Times Articles
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California To Outsource Inmates?
Robert Faturechi, Los Angeles Times - August 8, 2011














Mule Creek - Bunks are placed in open areas at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione, Calif. The state is under court order to reduce the prison population by 34,000 in two years.  (Gary Friedman / Los Angeles Times)
Los Angeles County officials are exploring an unconventional solution for handling the prisoners the state is passing off to them: passing them off to someone else.
By year's end, hundreds of criminals who would have done their time in state prisons are expected to go instead to county lockups as part of the governor's plan to thin the population in California's chronically overcrowded prisons.
Taking some of those inmates and shipping them out again is being considered as a last resort, county officials said. But it's being taken seriously enough that county staff have been seeking outside advice on the idea, and a team of sheriff's officials recently took a trip to the San Joaquin Valley to scope out a potential lockup.
L.A. County jails have faced hitting capacity before, resorting to early release and other solutions for shedding prisoners; but never before have inmates been housed out of county.
Asked whether he could think of any other county that has done so, state Sheriffs' Assn. President Mark Pazin said, "No, never and I've been doing this for 30-plus years. We just don't do that."
One of the much-touted arguments for Sacramento's plan to divert state inmates to local jails is keeping criminal offenders closer to home and their family and friends gives them a better shot at rehabilitation.
But Lt. Wayne Bilowit, a Sheriff's Department lobbyist, rejected the notion that keeping inmates close to home was a primary rationale for the governor's "realignment" plan.
"In theory, yes, that's one good thing, they're closer to home," he said. "But this is all about [the state] easing off their prison population crisis."
Many of the inmates expected to be housed by the county face sentences of 90 days or less. Nonetheless, if housed in state prisons, they would be required to go through lengthy — and costly — health and gang-affiliation screenings. The state, which is expected to provide funding to the counties for these new inmates, still expects a net savings from realignment by cutting out the intake screenings.
Bilowit said the message from Sacramento has been to "put them wherever you need to put them. Just don't send them back to us."
"If you characterize it as 'no,' 'possible' or 'probable,' it's 'possible,' " said Lt. Mark McCorkle of the sheriff's custody support services unit.
Any contracts to ship off L.A. prisoners would be issued by the Board of Supervisors. Anna Pembedjian, the justice deputy for Supervisor Michael Antonovich, said her office would be inclined to outsource inmates rather than release them early. "In lieu of releasing convicted felons back in the community, we would consider it," she said.
Full Story here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sheriff-prisoners-20110808,0,7372356.story
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Californians would rather ease penalties than pay more for Prisons -  By Jack Dolan, Los Angeles Times - July 21, 2011
Poll shows a change in attitudes as California seeks ways to comply with court-ordered cuts to its prison population. Soured economy is a key factor.












MULE CREEK - Overcrowded conditions at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione, Calif. (California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation / EPA / May 22, 2011)
Cash-strapped Californians would rather ease "third-strike" penalties for some criminals and accept felons as neighbors than dig deeper into their pockets to relieve prison overcrowding, a new poll shows.
In the wake of a court order that the state move more than 33,000 inmates out of its packed prisons, an overwhelming number of voters oppose higher taxes — as well as cuts in key state services — to pay for more lockup space.
The survey, by The Times and the USC Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences, shows a clear shift in attitude by residents forced to confront the cost of tough sentencing laws passed in recent decades.
The ailing economy far outweighs crime as the top concern for most people today, the pollsters said. That, along with the court order, could help explain voters' new receptivity to changes long sought by prisoner-rights advocates:
— More than 60% of respondents, including majorities among Democrats, Republicans and those who declined to state a party preference, said they would support reducing life sentences for third strike offenders convicted of property crimes such as burglary, auto theft and shoplifting.
— Nearly 70% said they would sanction the early release of some low-level offenders whose crimes did not involve violence.
— About 80% said they approve of keeping low-level, nonviolent offenders in county custody — including jails, home detention or parole — instead of sending them to state prisons. The same percentage favors paroling inmates who are paralyzed, in comas or so debilitated by advanced disease that they no longer pose a threat to public safety.
The pollsters noted that people don't generally favor the release of convicted criminals. But "when it comes to prisons," said Linda DiVall of American Viewpoint, "voters are looking for solutions that don't raise taxes or take money from other priorities like education."
Full Story Here: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-poll-prisons-20110721,0,531177.story

65 comments:

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

It looks like Tex has a HUGE ministry! LOLOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

The "Cruxt" of this "outsourcing":

"Many of the inmates expected to be housed by the county face sentences of 90 days or less. Nonetheless, if housed in state prisons, they would be required to go through lengthy — and costly — health and gang-affiliation screenings. The state, which is expected to provide funding to the counties for these new inmates, still expects a net savings from realignment by cutting out the intake screenings".

Bottom line... IF this actually happens:
This will involve real "short-timers"... serving 90 days or less.
The state will be providing funding to the counties for these services... but evidently... they expect to save money, by circumventing their own costly state "intake screening" process.

Kimchi said...

So this is what Tex's home looks like eh?

Somehow I pictured it differently..

Wonder if he's in general population and if he has a cell mate..

Anyone know?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

It's certainly a lot more crowded than I expected.
I always pictured Tex in better surroundings... not that he deserves it.
Mule Creek looks beautiful from the outside, but the inside isn't so "inviting". LOL

Dislike for Tex, seems to be the one subject everyone can agree on, across the board.

katie8753 said...

"The same percentage favors paroling inmates who are paralyzed, in comas or so debilitated by advanced disease that they no longer pose a threat to public safety."

Well I guess if they're paralyzed or in a coma, they can't do a lot of harm. LOL.

katie8753 said...

>>>Lynyrd said: It looks like Tex has a HUGE ministry! LOLOL>>>

Yeah, good ole Tex has his work cut out for him. Lots of savin' to do. HA HA.

That's gotta be a lot of fun living like a colony of cockroaches.

If they're only considering outsourcing or releasing short time offenders, that would certainly never include any Manson family killers.

katie8753 said...

Kimchi, I don't know exactly where Tex resides, but I think he's pretty much been kept out of the general population.

If Tex didn't have a cell mate before, I'll be he does now. Maybe more than one.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
>>>>"If they're only considering outsourcing or releasing short time offenders, that would certainly never include any Manson family killers".<<<<

Well yeah...

These particular proposed ideas/measures are obviously an effort to create space, and save money, but likely won't impact Tex, et al., directly.

The proposed shortening of parole hearing denials, (the shortening of the length of the denial terms that is), which is another related topic on the table, might impact them though... at least somewhat.
Shorter denials is good news for any prisoner.

All these related proposals, DO scream the fact, that any/all inmates, are in fact, somewhat closer to the door.
The bottom line... they evidently HAVE to release some inmates.
The state budget is horrible.
Also, the over-crowded conditions were deemed "cruel and unusual punishment" for reasons pretty specific in a 2009 ruling.
In a sense it likely won't effect "family members" specifically... but indirectly, it effects all prisoners.
So... the answer (in my estimation), is really "yes and no". LOL

As I said:
"All these related proposals, DO scream the fact, that any/all inmates, are in fact, somewhat closer to the door".
How much closer, obviously depends on one's crimes, and possible parole chances to begin with.

katie8753 said...

I've heard that since the "Governator" is out and Jerry Brown is back in, the door might start swinging the other way.

I think that when Jerry was Governor before, he was a pretty liberal thinker. I don't know how much influence he has on parole decisions. I think that when the Board makes a decision on whether or not to grant parole, he can veto it if he wants.

It will be interesting to see what develops.

I still have a hard time thinking that Charlie or Tex will ever get out though.

St. Circumstance said...

Funny- I was just over on Tex's site. It hasn't been updated since April...

but his last monthly view- was entirely dedicated to this subject, and Bobby has put out a new letter on the subject as well...

it seems they are getting very excited over these new developments....

I say if they let out 99% of the prison population in California- Tex is in the 1% who stay...

And that makes me smile :)

katie8753 said...

St. Circumstance, I have to agree with you. It's probably gonna have to be a pretty chilly day in hell before Mr. Watson can saunter off a free man.

mattprokes said...

they could outsource tex to guantanomo bay.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

AHahahaha

Matt... that was a good one.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Saint said:
>>>>"it seems they are getting very excited over these new developments"<<<<

If I was Leslie, Bobby, or Bruce... I would consider these developments cause for hope, in an otherwise hopeless environment.
I mean... it's certainly not bad news.

Manson, Tex and Pat aren't going anywhere.
Thing is... Manson and Pat know that... Tex, for some reason still thinks he has a shot.
It's very annoying.
Tex already has it better than he deserves.

Personally, I'd like to think that monsterous dude in the first photo... holding the broom... makes Tex his bitch several times a week.
LOLOL

Panamint Patty said...

Lynyrd, isn't that why Kristin divorced Tex, because he kinda likes being a bitch? Just what Patty read somewhere.

St. Circumstance said...

Patty may be right about that part- but I know Kristin also became involved with another dude from there ministry- and that had something to do with it as well...
( Tex says they are all friendly- lol what choice does he have)

and the allure of having a guy around in person once in awhile- overcame whatever it was that attracted her to that douche-bag in the first place...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hi Patty.

Honestly... I'm not sure what "befell" Tex's marriage specifically.
Maybe you're right... maybe Tex really is someone's "bitch", I don't know. LOLOL
It wouldn't surprise me.

What Saint is saying, makes sense, as well.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Saint said:
>>>>"Kristin also became involved with another dude from there ministry"<<<<

LOLOL

Sounds like quite a religion. : )

"The parish that prays together, lays together"? hahaha

St. Circumstance said...

When reading transcripts from Tex's parole hearing prior and after Kristin left him you will notice at the next Parole hearing he came up for after she left him- he didn't show up at all
( he had been fighting hard up till that point for freedom) and when stating his non attendance for the record at the beginning of the hearing- one of the Panel questioned allowed if that had anything to do with the fact he wasn't there... He had been bragging to them about his wife and family waiting for him.

I think they were out of line in mentioning his family break-up in a mocking way...

But I would high five them if I could...

The only reservation here is for there kids- who although come from a monster, and mindless fool- still are innocent- and probably have to go through a lot more than the normal BS all kids go through- which can be BS enough in itself..

katie8753 said...

I think Kristen finally realized that she wasn't gonna get rich quick on the "church scam" they were running.

She wasn't hearing that "cha-ching" that she hoped she'd hear by marrying a knuckle-dragging baby-killing neanderthal.

So she lassoed another sucker.

katie8753 said...

St., that's the saddest part about this. He fathered those children who will NEVER be free of the stigma of who he is.

They can either be honest about it and hope for the best, or lie their asses off the rest of their lives.

He should have been sterilized a long time ago.

katie8753 said...

Did anyone notice the "No Warning Shot is Required" sign???

Tex...you'd best behave yourself.

HA HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Boy, Tex better get a bigger revival tent!!

I can just hear the inmates.

"Hey are you goin' to Tex's next revival meeting?"

"Hell no, why should I?"

"Because you idiot, if you claim to be born again, you can get out faster. According to Tex."

"Hell yeah, I'll be there!"

"When the roll is called up yonder.......I'll be there."

HA HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Okay this clip reminds me of this prison.

Jerry Seinfeld...in OZ.

This was a clip on SNL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL-U_IbkKK8

HA HA. Enjoy.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

How does that "no conjugal visit rule" for convicted murderers work, and when was it initiated?
Does that rule apply to all convicted murderers, or just unmarried inmates?

What I'm suggesting... is that if Tex's conjugal visit privileges were revoked before his divorce, that may have effected his marriage.
I would imagine discontinuing conjugal visits would put a serious strain on any marriage.
Just a thought...

Also wondering...
Is Doris Tate really the one who single-handedly had that rule set in place?
OR... did she join/support a process that was already in motion?
I always heard it was Doris.
Again, just wondering...

mattprokes said...

katie that snl clip is a hoot!
oz was a great show the first couple of seasons.

katie8753 said...

Lynyrd as far as I know, Doris Tate was the one who initiated the no conjugal visit rule, specifically because she was irritated that Tex Watson was having those with his wife and fathering children, when her own daughter was denied that.

I'm not sure if it is for all convicted felons, or just for convicted murderers. It could very well be one reason for his divorce. I'm sure there were others. Tex & Kristen were cheating the IRS out of money and using the income from the ministry to support Kristen and those kids, so she was basically living off that ministry illegally.

I know they were investigated. I don't know if they were charged with anything, but Kristen had to stop leaving off that income.

She probably found somebody with a real job to live off of.

katie8753 said...
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katie8753 said...

I meant to say "Kristen had to stop LIVING off that income."

LOL.

katie8753 said...

Matt, OZ was a great show. I thought that clip was funny too!!

"Good luck with aalllllllllll THAT!" HA HA.

Mary said...

Hey y'all...I ran across this the other day - seems fitting to share now - took me awhile to locate it again. Obviously I don't know if this is true or not, but found it posted on a crime/punishment forum...

"Kristin Svege did divorce her husband, Charles, but it wasn't because she met another man, it was because of some of his actions in prison that wasn't becoming of someone who claimed to be what 'he' claimed to be. (Whether Charles is truly walking with God at this time is between him and God, details of what he did I won't mention out of respect for his ministry. Suffice it to say her reasons were well grounded in the word) Her reasons were those that the Bible would say were grounds for divorce. It wasn't an easy decision for her and she struggled with it for several years. She realized the impact it would be on the children and that made it difficult. At the same time she could not ignore the immorality and claim to be living her life in honesty as if everything was as it should be.

The man she met was someone who was in her church, the timing would seem as if they met and then she divorced, but the fact is, she had already been planning to divorce Charles before her present husband ever came into her life. It was God's timing that her present husband came along when he did. Kristin was very devoted to her family even though she later realized her mistake of marrying Charles she was committed to following God's rules that once married, always married.

You have to realize that when she married, she was very young and was easily influenced by someone who was much older and obviously very manipulative. It's not that uncommon for a young girl to fall victim to such a person as that. By the time they realize what's happened, it's too late, the damage is done or they are committed to something they later may regret.

Kristin is very happily married now, her children are all doing "very" well. She did a wonderful job raising them by herself, home-schooling and teaching them God's word. They are all very successful in their present occupations and all well-liked. The youngest is still at home and is a very popular young man with many friends. Kristin lives a quiet life, out of the spotlight and just wants to be treated as any normal human being wants to be treated. As a personal friend, I can say that I am very honored to know her and can attest that her main love in life is the Lord Jesus Christ and her devotion to being a Christian wife, mother and friend is clear and un-questionable."

Mary said...

and I found the following...again, don't know if it is completely true but....

"What are biblical reasons or grounds for divorce?
The Bible suggests that “marital unfaithfulness” is the only scriptural reason that warrants God’s permission for divorce and remarriage. Many different interpretations exist among Christian teachings as to the exact definition of "marital unfaithfulness." The Greek word for marital unfaithfulness found in Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9 translates to mean any form of sexual immorality including adultery, prostitution, fornication, pornography, and incest. Since the sexual union is such a crucial part of the marriage covenant, breaking that bond seems to be a permissible, biblical grounds for divorce.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I gotta "hit the road" in a minute, (actually, I'm already late, LOL)... but before I go, I'll just say quickly:

We Love You Mary!

YOU ROCK! LOLOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Sounds like Ol' Tex was further breaking the chains of his "sexual hang-ups"... AHahahaha

Beauders... dare I make a disugusting, very innappropriate, and un-politically correct joke?
LOLOL

: )

(Just Kidding)

katie8753 said...

Hi Mary. Thanks for sharing this. I know you didn't write it, you're just passing it on, so my comments are directed to whoever wrote it:

>>>[The divorce] wasn't an easy decision for her and she struggled with it for several years. She realized the impact it would be on the children and that made it difficult.>>>

Did she ever consider the impact it would have on her children to marry and bear children to one of the most monstrous killers who ever lived? It sounds like she shut the gate after the hogs got out.

>>>She did a wonderful job raising them by herself, home-schooling and teaching them God's word.>>>

Yes, and as I mentioned before, she cheated the IRS and state government out of taxes because they were purporting that Abounding Love was a non-profit organization, but yet she was keeping every dime that was donated to pay for her rent payment, groceries, etc.

I hope she's smart enough to hide all the knives. LOL.

>>>Kristin lives a quiet life, out of the spotlight and just wants to be treated as any normal human being wants to be treated.>>>

She better stay off Facebook if she wants to keep it that way. HA HA HA.

katie8753 said...

I thought Tex was Charlie's bitch...

Well....that's what happens when they do away with that-there conjugal sex. LOLOL.

Mary said...

"She better stay off Facebook if she wants to keep it that way. HA HA HA."

Well, I think "that other blog" already got to Kristin...they had a picture posted of Kristin and her new husband in November 2010...I can't see the pic now so i don't know if that means she removed it or not

katie8753 said...

Oops, Mary...I'm almost a year too late. Oh well....I tried. :)

Good to see you Mary. Where've you been??? I hope to see a lot more of you. I miss your humorous and intelligent posts!!!

katie8753 said...

Speaking of Tex Watson....someone brought up a very good question recently (I think it was Leary), and he was asking why Tex wasn't prosecuted for the Shorty Shea murder.

He made the comment that there is no statute of limitations for murder, which there isn't, and they should try him, if only to make sure he never gets out.

That's a very good observation. And I agree. However, I don't think the state of California would go to the expense of trying him for the Shea murder, even though he was a BIG participant in that murder.

Of the four people involved in that murder, Grogan is out and has probably gone underground, so that leaves Charlie and Bruce to testify.

Charlie won't.

Bruce probably won't either. He's hoping like hell to get out, and if he causes any more consternation regarding his participation in murder, he's signing his death warrant.

So...while it's a great idea....it's probably not gonna happen.

I think the state of California probably feels like they have enough on Tex to keep him in for life.

Mary said...

yeah, I don't think they are worried in the least about Tex going free..they have too many money problems to prosecute for that murder

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Mary said...

sorry, for some reason my comment was posted twice...and that answers your question, Katie, about where I have been. Just been frustrated with my computer and the funky things it has been doing!!!!!!

katie8753 said...

Oh Mary I'm sorry you're having computer troubles. I hope you work that out.

I'm SO THIRSTY to talk about Casey Anthony.

She's supposed to turn up in Orlando on August 26th or sooner, and the scuttlebutt is that her mouthpiece is gonna try to get her off, but he's not gonna have much of a defense except "she's in danger", which we're all really sick of hearing.

She's supposedly been offered money to write a book. HA HA. She's supposed to tell how her brother molested her, etc.

Nobody wants to hear anymore of her lies.

Anyway, let me know what you think!!!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

No double posting on the blog please.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

LOLOL

I'm just kidding Mary!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
>>>>"I'm SO THIRSTY to talk about Casey Anthony".<<<<

Oh Gawd...

LOLOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

We need a Casey "intervention".

Thank goodness for Tom.
He's the only one left, able to continue this Casey topic any further...
I "crapped-out" about two weeks ago.

LOLOLOL

beauders said...

it was bill nelson who started the ministry fraud investigation and i can't figure out what is bill nelson bullshit and what is the truth.
i think kristen is the real thing though that is a christian. a source of mine spoke to her after the news came out about nelson's pedophilia and she told him the she relish the suffering of any other human being. pretty classy if you ask me since nelson tried to destroy her and her children's lives.
i think was manipulated by watson and if she was making mistakes it was at his behest. that is i don't think she would do anything immoral such as stealing.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Thanks Beauders!!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

"Explore the Space"! hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W1lll5Z3Q8&feature=related

The funniest part for me:
At 3:47 the drummer (who looks like "carrot Top"), starts laughing, and he just can't contain himself for the rest of the skit.

katie8753 said...

>>>Lynyrd said: We need a Casey "intervention".>>>

I need a Casey Fix....NOWWW!!!!!

HA HA HA!

katie8753 said...

Hi Beauders.

Don't know all the details of the fraud charges, I just know they were investigated.

I don't view Kristen as a victim. She was obviously the one who sought Tex out in the first place, because he was in prison.

If she didn't understand that a convicted murderer who viciously stabbed, shot and ripped up 7 people, and maybe more, was not a good choice for a life mate, then she had a lot wrong with her before she met up with Tex.

And she was the one handling the money, so her being unaware of any fraud seems dubious to me. If she didn't grasp the meaning of "non profit organization", then she shouldn't have been involved.

Marliese said...

Katie said >>>>I don't view Kristen as a victim. She was obviously the one who sought Tex out in the first place, because he was in prison.

If she didn't understand that a convicted murderer who viciously stabbed, shot and ripped up 7 people, and maybe more, was not a good choice for a life mate, then she had a lot wrong with her before she met up with Tex.

And she was the one handling the money, so her being unaware of any fraud seems dubious to me. If she didn't grasp the meaning of "non profit organization", then she shouldn't have been involved.<<<<<


Spot on Katie.

She obviously didn't grasp the basics of birth control either...four kids conceived during conjugal visits? Obviously she wanted children with a man that, as you say, stabbed, shot and ripped up seven people. And that makes her kinda nuts.


No, i'm not blaming the children...:)

katie8753 said...

I agree Marliese. This woman supposedly was worried about the "effects of a divorce" on her children, but never considered the "effects" on them due to their father being a vicious killer?

That makes no sense at all.

She can't claim ignorance. She's got to have had the facts before she even married him. In fact, I'm sure she sought him out BECAUSE of his notoriety.

There are lots of people who "go after" convicted murderers.

Richard Ramirez & Scott Peterson have to beat them off with a stick. So did Ted Bundy.

And then there's our "ever-loving" Charlie. LOL.

I don't understand that behavior...and I don't condone it either. The stigma she placed on her children is unforgivable.

And it's nobody's fault but hers.

katie8753 said...

Okay, here's a joke.

Knock Knock.

Who's there?

Tex.

Tex Whooooo?

Gesundheit!!

Okay, okay, I made that up. I know it's weak.

I should be on the stage....the next one outta town.

HA HA HA.

beauders said...

kristen definately was starstruck by tex for some strange reason and was very naive. also i don't care about watson's ministry so i'll let you all know what she divorced him over---he was receiving blow jobs from another inmate and kristen found out. tex tried to con her with the old i need a physical release and she didn't buy it.

katie8753 said...

Hi Beauders. I don't care for Tex's ministry either. If you want to call it that. I prefer the term "scam". He's about as "born again" as Charles Manson.

In regards to Kristen, I don't know how ANYONE can be that naive, unless she was born yesterday.

Anyone on this planet surely knows that when you marry a convicted murderer who will never be released because of the enormity of the pain and suffering he inflicted on so many people, that life is not going to be "Father Knows Best".

Surely it's a well known fact that prisoners engage in sex. Period. With or without conjugal visits.

So, it's my opinion, that Kristen just got tired of him being in prison and decided to divorce him. I can't imagine that she suddenly found out about the BJ's. She was in a dead-end relationship and just got tired of it.

It's too bad that she had children with that monster. I can't imagine how they must feel. Surely they know why their father is in prison.

If he was my father, I'd be sick to my stomach, and I'd be very angry with my mother for marrying him.

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beauders said...

from what i understand watson's kids adore him. they were totally brainwashed in regards to the murders. when he and kristen explained why he was in prison they told the kids that he had murdered people because he was on drugs. the ministry used to give out a pamphlet explaining this. i think it was titled "telling the children about dad."

beauders said...

the watson children were home schooled and kristen must have done a fairly good job because one studied at oral roberts university. another i heard is/was in the military.
i am not defending kristen i think she was conned and believed the lie about him only murdering people because he was on drugs. of course if everyone who did drugs started murdering people and quoting manson "there'd be none of you left."

beauders said...

the children grew up knowing about manson, they called him satan. a visitor once said that while visiting kristen the children came running to her, while watching tv, yelling "satan is on the tv, satan is on the tv." manson was being interviewed.

katie8753 said...

Hi Lynn & Beauders.

I was thinking the same thing. No father/son picnics, football games, baseball practice, ballet lessons, etc that included a father.

I'm not saying that Kristen is not a nice person. But I can't wrap my brain around why anyone would have anything to do with a prisoner, no matter what they did to be convicted (unless it was a family member or someone you knew before they were arrested).

Didn't Kristen have any familial support BEFORE she got involved with Tex, parents, siblings that could have let her know that getting involved with a convicted murderer was not a good life choice?

Even if the children believe that excuse "I was on drugs", don't they know the details of what he did? Stabbing a pregnant woman, ripping someone's guts out, clubbing someone on the head until the skull was bashed in, brutally stabbing a man whose hands were tied behind his back, leaving a knife in his throat, carving WAR in his abdomen.

Those are thought pictures that I could never get out of my head, now matter how hard I tried.

Marliese said...

Just curious, do the children of Tex and Kristin know why their mother divorced their father?

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

AHahahahaha

Marliese, you Rock! : )

Is that what they call a "rhetorical question"? LOL

Or, a "loaded question"? LOLOL

katie8753 said...

Well with all the overcrowding, Tex is gonna have lots of opportunities for "BJs", and he won't have a wife nagging him about it. LOLOL.