Saturday, July 9, 2011

For those who want to continue the Casey Anthony Discussion.... go for it!
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Another completely "fictitious" book, based very loosely on Manson, et. al.  This was submitted by Lynn. 
Lynn writes: "I have actually read it - my other half is a HUGE Columbo fan.  It has a little bit of the 70's sex kitten kitchiness to it (as in a family member named Puss) but it's not a bad read".
The book can be purchased here:
http://www.amazon.com/Columbo-Skelter-Murders-William-Harrington/dp/0812530268/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1310233584&sr=1-1
"Click" Below, for a brief description..
From Publishers Weekly
The second hard-copy appearance of TV's scruffy Lieutenant Columbo is a wickedly successful mystery that's based on a Manson Family copycat killing and includes Charles Manson wannabes and a few of his aging followers. Twenty-five years after the infamous 1969 Tate-LaBianca murders (Columbo was the third homicide detective on the scene), millionaire retailer Yussef Khoury and his mistress surreptitiously enter the elegant Khoury home on Mulholland Drive. Sometime later, an anonymous phone call sends the police, including Columbo, to the house where Yussef's wife, Arlene; her lover, a thieving production designer for Khoury's film company; and the houseboy lie dead of multiple stab wounds, with the words Healter Skelter and All Piggys Die written in blood on the wall. Yussef, arriving after the cops, implicates his wife's secretary, Puss Dogwood, who was once a teenage member of Manson's family. Pitted against suave and wealthy villains, the rumpled Columbo bumbles his way straight through the film industry, posh retail trade, scuba-diving clubs and Manson Family lore to keep readers enthralled. With solid plotting, fully fleshed-out characters and dry humor, Harrington's series, begun with Columbo: The Grassy Knoll , is prime-time entertainment.
Copyright 1994 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.                      

112 comments:

katie8753 said...

Okay if nobody is going to talk about this book, I'm going to talk about Casey Anthony. LOL.

Well....today's scuttlebutt is that the attorney for "Zanny the Nanny" is going to depose Casey the day after she's released.

He's reported to be a "tough guy" that pulls ALL the punches.

This is going to be interesting. He can ask her ANYTHING he wants, even in the presence of her counsel (you know the "skin" and the old man). And if she lies....then on the stand she has to continue that lie, and be guilty of perjury. Hoo hoo!!

Little Casey thought she beat the rap. That she was going to have the bella vita. The cash cow is now hers. Think again bitch.

Hold onto your hats boys. This is just gettin' better and better!! HA HA.

katie8753 said...

Well, this just in.

George Anthony and Lee Anthony can BOTH file civil suits against Casey AND her defense (skins & old man) because of the molestation accusations, which of course, they didn't prove, AND they were told by the judge, they can't bring that up in closing arguments, because they never proved it.

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....

It just gets better and better...................

YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!

katie8753 said...

Casey Anthony is a fucking liar.

She has been lying long before Caylee was born.

Did you all know that???

From what I've read, pathological liars either (a) develop this lying concept because of familial stress or (b) develop this concept because of a non-image concept of themselves...thereby acclimating their own image.

NOW...

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury...you've seen the testimony.

You've seen Casey cry sometimes and glare sometimes.

Caylee Marie disappeared on June 15, 2008. During the next 31 days, Casey LIED, LIED, LIED, about where she was. I won't go into that again, I've already done it.

My point is....if Casey Anthony had ANY remorse about the death of her daughter....does ANYONE think that she would have gone shopping....gone to the boyfriend's house.....gone partying.....gotten a tattoo that said " Bella Vita"?, laughed her fucking ass off?

Jesus, what does the jury need...a fucking map????

Read my lips.

Or just read hers.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Seriously... looking at Casey smile like that... I'd swap her with LVH tomorrow... if I had to choose between the two.

Heck... Leslie's already done what? 42 years?

I say... throw Casey in Leslie's cell... and wipe that freakin' smile off her puss.
Leave her in there for 20 or so years.
She won't be smiling in 2031!

katie8753 said...

Well guess what???

The jurors are now commanding $50,000 for an interview.

Yeah, they're great.

They want anonymity, so the public can't "skew" them, but they'll take "deals" for interviews.

I hope they choke.

If anyone else defends those mealy mouthed motherfuckers, I'll start swinging.

katie8753 said...

Casey's mother wanted to visit her in jail today, but little bitch-lips turned her down.

This is the mother that committed perjury in an attempt to keep her daugher safe.

This mother told the DA on the STAND that she was the one who made the searches for Chlorophyll so that her bitch daughter would get off. Shie LIED.

And said bitch daughter doesn't want to see her.

I wish I could see those stupid jurors now.

They all deserve death.

katie8753 said...

>>>Lynyrd said: I say... throw Casey in Leslie's cell... and wipe that freakin' smile off her puss.
Leave her in there for 20 or so years.
She won't be smiling in 2031!>>>

I agree, but unfortunately, we can't.

The fucking jury let her go free.

Bunch of losers.

Now they're trying to "cash in". I hope they all choke.

I do know that there IS justice, sometimes it takes a while.

Look at OJ. Look at Hitler

The Bible says "now we look through a glass darkly, but one day...we will see clearly".

There will be justice for those jurors who tried to cash in....they will perish in their own ilk.

And there will be justice for a fucking cunt who killed her daughter, lied her ass off continually about it, thought she was in the clear....and discovered that sometimes justice sneaks up on you and stabs you in the back.

Caylee will have the last word.

Don't ever doubt that.

katie8753 said...

Pathological liars believe their own lies.

They do, until it becomes unfeasible to sustain it.

Then...they invent another one. And another one.

Each lie becoming more credible than the first.

I submit to you, ladies and gentlemen, that Casey Marie Anthony, was a pathological liar, that she lied about her little daughter, first lying about her whereabouts, then lying about what happened to her.

I also submit to you that she will never stop lying about it.

I also want you to note, that Casey Marie Anthony NEVER showed any remorse about her missing daughter, not before trial, not during trial, not EVER.

I submit that to you.

You can make up your own minds.

And I hope you make the right choice.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Lynn... you've been officially "updated", on the "Hall of Fame" list!
LOLOL

Peace... Lynyrd

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Lynn... nothing compares to your "Hog Farm", "Naguchi" and "Cemetery" threads though!

Those ROCKED!!!

What was the name of that cemetery again?

Someone actually e-mailed me just recently, and said the "Hog Farm" and "Naguchi" threads were the best threads on the entire blog, to date!!!
True story!
I don't want to mention any names... but, it's true.

beauders said...

i have a feeling casey has already been released and moved into some protective place. they're not going just toss her on the street come next sunday---there would be a lynch mob waiting for her.

katie8753 said...

Beauders, the way they'll "dispose" of Casey has been discussed several times.

It's been speculated that the release date of July 17 is just what the press was told to get her out at another date safely.

But...it was also brought up that the court has the duty and honor to be forthright about the release date.

I think she is still in there....but I'm sure there are plans to release her as safely as possible, including transporting her out of state.

More of the State of Florida's money wasted on this bitch.

They ought to just give her a suit of clothes and open the gates and shove her out like they do any other prisoner that has served his/her time.

katie8753 said...

"Zanny's" lawyer is going to keep a close eye on where Casey is because he wants to depose her as soon as she's been released.

She's already been served the suit papers.

This case is on the docket to start January 2012.

katie8753 said...

Peter Falk died June 23rd I think.

Loved Columbo!

lurch said...

Bummer about Peter Faulk......loved him in Princess Bride!

As for Casey "Baby Killer" Anthony....The state definately dropped the ball going for murder one/death penalty. Shoyuld have gone for some kind of manslaughter charge instead and let this piece of human garbage rot in jail.

What a shame her parents didn't have a condom the day this bitch was conceived!

katie8753 said...

Hi Lurch.

Casey was charged with 7 counts in her indictment.

Count 1 was first degree murder.

Count 2 was aggravated child abuse.

Count 3 was aggravated manslaughter of a child.

The remaining 4 counts were lying to police officers.

I don't think the jury really understood their instructions. It was either that, or like I said before, they just wanted to go home and get it over with.

I think they thought that if they reached a not guilty verdict on count 1, then they had to do the same on counts 2 & 3.

They could very well have voted not guilty on counts 1 & 2, but then voted guilty to count 3.

I was very surprised about count 3. I can understand not guilty on counts 1 & 2, but not count 3. That's a felony charge, and would have kept her in prison for years to come.

But the 4 counts she was charged as guilty on are misdemeanor charges, and she basically got a slap on the wrist.

katie8753 said...

I don't think the jury understood "reasonable doubt" either.

The fact that Casey lied constantly about where Caylee was from June until August 2008, and intentionally delayed the discovery of Caylee's body, to me that YELLS reasonable doubt.

bobby said...

I served as foreman on a jury for the "pillow case Bandits" People really can be dumb / sympathetic / gullible. I was sure of guilt & had to argue my ass off to convince Mrs. Finster of the same. After the trial the lawyers & judge come in & talk to the jury & tell you all the things that they couldnt when the trial was going on. The defense attorny was embarassed about defending someone so damned guilty. Mrs. Finster thanked me over & over again ! lol. In the Antony case the jury was given a better case than i was.

katie8753 said...

That's interesting Bobby. Who are The Pillowcase Bandits? I'm not familiar with that case.

katie8753 said...

It's funny that the Manson jury found the defendants guilty, then assessed the death penalty, even thought THEY were getting death threats.

The Anthony jury is getting death threats because they DIDN'T find the defendant guilty.

The Manson jury was sequestered a WHOLE hella lot longer than the Anthony jury.

The Anthony jury is a bunch of pussies!!

bobby said...

Pillow case bandits: Just a couple guy's from the city who where making day trips to the country to rob peoples homes.By the time they went to trial in my county they had been caught red handed & convicted in two other county's (which is just one of the things our jury was not allowed to hear).The one guy had plead guilty so we had the trial of the other guy. He was a three strikes felon.

katie8753 said...

Thanks Bobby.

It's amazing what they won't allow the jury to hear so they won't be prejudiced, BUT...it can factor into the current case, so in my opinion, the jury is on a need-to-know basis.

I'm wondering if the Anthony jury is second guessing now that they now know it all.

Marliese said...

katie8753 said...
I don't think the jury understood "reasonable doubt" either.

The fact that Casey lied constantly about where Caylee was from June until August 2008, and intentionally delayed the discovery of Caylee's body, to me that YELLS reasonable doubt.




I completely agree, and question how much reasoning these people did in their understanding of reasonable doubt, and I also question their understanding of the value of circumstantial evidence.

I served on a jury once...one of the most difficult, stressful, emotional experiences in my life. It was a fairly high profile local case, more than three weeks of jury selection...went through four hundred and ninety some people...they'd call down for pools of 60 people at a time, each group of us assumed our group was the first call for jurors, not realizing the process had been going on for days or weeks before we got there! That part was simply amazing...the chess game of eliminating people...if the prosecutor appeared to like someone, the defense would excuse that person and the other way around too, until their no cause excuses were used up, and many were eliminated for cause...they knew a police officer for example, or some other bias was discovered in questioning.

But once we were sworn, it began quickly with four weeks of actual arguments and testimony, and then we deliberated six and a half days. We worked. We worked hard. We dissected everything. We sent note after note back to the court, every day we sent for something we needed to review or hear again. The court reporter spent three hours reading back testimony to us. We had the volume of instructions on the table and we referred to them constantly. There was a lot of circumstantial evidence, along with wiretaps and recorded informant conversations. By the time we entered the jury room to deliberate, we realized that you can interview several different people...even witnesses to the same event, and end up with several different perspectives. Anyone is capable of lying...anyone. But circumstantial evidence doesn't lie. It just sits there, it never changes. We took our time and pieced it together logically and reasonably. We had smart people on our jury...one young woman was so brilliant and had the most amazing study skills...she soaked it up like a sponge. At one point, by the fifth day, there it was in front of us...we had faith in what was reasonable because any doubt would have involved absurd and illogical circumstances, and so then would our reasoning have had to be to accept that.

I accept why lying casey anthony was found not guilty of first degree murder, but it makes no sense that she was found not guilty of manslaughter and abuse of a child. Like Katie said, by itself not reporting a missing child for 31 days is abusive, along with her lies, lies that she built one on top of another to mislead police. The two go together.

I keep thinking of Jose Baez throwing everyone under the bus and offered no evidence whatsoever to back up his statements. When did defending what someone has done evolve into saying some of what he said in his opening argument.

I think his remarks in the press conference shortly after the verdict were interesting too...he was pretty subdued and said 'casey didn't murder Caylee.' He used the word murder, not kill, not didn't cause her death. I just have to wonder if in his heart of hearts, he knows the truth about lying casey anthony.

katie8753 said...

(((((((((MARLIESE!!!)))))))))

I love your MOST EXCELLENT posts!!! HA HA!

You and Bobby have both been on juries. Interesting...

I've been called for jury duty a dozen times, in different cities, but was never chosen.

I guess my "hang-dog redneck glaze" was enough to "ah-hem" the attorneys involved.

HOOOOOOOOOOOO.

But I've often wondered....if the jury does go into deliberation, what do they do first?

I know there is a foreman...does he just say "okay if you want to vote guilty raise your hand"? And then take it from there?

I'm like Jerry Seinfeld. What happens??? HA HA.

Back to reasonable doubt. The defense in the Anthony case kept hammering on reasonable doubt.

Take the term "reasonable doubt". Take the word reasonable away, that leaves doubt.

You get confused with the word "reasonable".

If you have doubt...you have doubt. No doubt about it.

Years ago I went to school to learn to be a claims adjuster, and we learned about civil tort law, and I keep remembering this phrase:

"What would a sane and sensible person do in the same or simliar circumstances??"

That leaves Casey out.

It was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Casey Anthony impeded the progress of a police investigation, and told lie after lie about her little daughter.

It was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that Casey Anthony had NO remorse, whether they want to suggest that she drowned, or otherwise.

NO REMORSE. Partied her little ass off. No thought for little Caylee.

The jury should have honed in on that.

The jury thought George Anthony was suspicious. Well....George Anthony was accused of: (1) child molestation, (2) having an affair and (3) disposing of the body.

If I were him, I would be combative on the stand too. He'd had enough. And Enough is Enough!!

No human being can withstand all that. He lost his beloved granddaughter, he's lost his entire family. He's combative on the stand. So what????

The defense hammered away at George Anthony, and others, trying to shift blame on everyone BUT Casey. You're right...the defense threw everyone under the bus.

I guess it worked. That jury is pathetic. A pathetic piece of work.

I, for one, won't pay one thin dime for any material relating to these jurors. In my mind, they lie more than Casey.

And....I'll say again....I think that the jury was tired of being there and just took the easy way out.

Jose said in his comments that "there are no winners". Then they have a "group hug" and party down, while the old man flipped off everyone.

And BTW, I've heard the old man's statements (don't know his name, don't care) and he said they were toasting the "constitution". HA HA.

Well guess what old man. You and Jose are in line for lots of lawsuits.

So bunker down asshole.

Oh, and also, the old man was asked if he thought it was a good law that if someone doesn't declare a child missing within 24 hours, he said that wasn't a good idea.

katie8753 said...

As in civil tort law, you can equate the same term "what would a sane or sensible person do in same or similar circumstances" to criminal or felony law.

What Casey Anthony has learned by all this, is that she can kill and get away with it.

Sociopaths don't understand consequences.

They don't have any.

And Casey is the perfect example of this.

So, in determining her outcome in the future, some say she won't "get hers" and some say she will.

I interject that she will "get hers". But in that regard, it might be dogmatic, or it might be something insignificant, but either way...I think she will "reap what she sowed".

When you sleep with the pigs, you wake up in the mud.

The only people on this planet, at this point, that will associate with Casey, are people that no one with class with associate with.

And that leads to degredation. And that leads to annihilation.

katie8753 said...

By that application, you can realize that Casey Anthony is not "sane or sensible".

That she indeed is a sociopath or some other mental deviant.

Now if you want to derive that from her familial settings, or from some other source...Makes no matter.

She's a mental deviant. Not capable of regarding human life as worth.

Thus....she must be GUILTY as charged.

That's what "reasonable doubt" means.

katie8753 said...

I'm not really sure if everyone in the blog world understands what a sociopath is.

Charles Manson is a sociopath.

A sociopath lies, steals, plunders, does anything to self-gratify, without any worry for consequence, or, without any worry for the victim(s).

There are no boundaries.

The activity just keeps on, sometimes going to a different level, depending on the lies, but the goal is the same.

To keep the sociopath in his/her prospective, to make sure he/she survives.

That's what they do!!!

Just like the terminator!! HA HA.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Marliese said:
>>>>"I also question their understanding of the value of circumstantial evidence".[SNIP]... "circumstantial evidence doesn't lie. It just sits there, it never changes. We took our time and pieced it together logically and reasonably".<<<<

That's exactly the point, I made a couple days ago.
If you take the time, and listen to ALL the parts/evidence... and then... take the time to piece together, ALL those parts, logically, and reasonably... it's revealing.

Each individual piece of evidence proves nothing... BUT, the sum of the individual parts collectively... is quite convincing.

People keep saying... "oh, rare tape whatever"... and " matching bags, whatever"... and "lies, whatever"... and "the smell of a corpse in her trunk, identified by an expert, whatever"... and "she partied, and shopped, and tattoooed even, during the baby's disappearance, whatever".
Individually... it all means nothing... but collectively, it rules out most... if not all... other possible perpetrators.
If you really listen to the prosecution's closing arguments, regarding the tape and cloth bag, (coupled with the rest of the evidence)... it would be reaching to believe it wasn't Casey.
Or, as Marliese said it:
"we had faith in what was reasonable because any doubt would have involved absurd and illogical circumstances".

Based on the evidence I followed... I would have given her manslaughter, with a clear conscience.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Katie said:
>>>>"I've been called for jury duty a dozen times, in different cities, but was never chosen".<<<<

AHahahahaha

I'm sorry, but that struck me a freakin' funny. LOL
I guess, sometimes, the defense can just "tell". LOLOL

"I gotta feelin' that woman is gonna send Earl away, for a long, LONG time!"
: )

8/9 baby said...

Hi guys, i've been away all weekend and it's late, but, i said i'd repost on this subject. So here goes...

The first thing is, like I said, i haven't really followed the anthony case. I don't know that much about it, I haven't watched trial footage, and i don't plan to. I find the relentless coverage and the sensational and shrill tone of it to be annoying, i am sick of hearing about it. But it became a topic here, and i've shared my point of view - one that comes out of near-total ignorance of the details of this case. I think i failed to convey one thing: i just don't care much if she's guilty or not. I would not ever defend the anthony woman because i do not care even a little bit about her case.

I started off assuming, from the brief coverage I saw, that she was guilty. I had no interest in following the case. I don't follow court stuff in general. I am curious about people and the strange things we do, that's my angle. My only interest in the anthony case is that so many others are so interested in it and so vehement in their opinions about it. I care a lot about how the press can absolutely contaminate otherwise healthy processes in our society, including the justice system. So when the case became a "media sensation", that is what mattered to me. Not whether she is guilty.

When i say that the prosecutor is at fault, i mean that in a very practical way; it is the prosecutor's job to get the conviction, period. No conviction means the prosecutor lost the case. Whatever. Whether the anthony woman is guilty or not, the killer has not been brought to justice. It's not the first time this has happened in our justice system. The fact that someone is guilty has never guaranteed a conviction, which is why the D.A.'s job is important. I said i would like to know what really happened in this case, but only so I can understand how the story was played by the media and what was distorted. That is the kind of clarity that takes time, especially in a case where the evidence was so spotty, so i will have to wait. In the meantime, there is no point in making a case to me about guilt, because i'm not arguing about that. I'm sure that katie and many others know far more about this case than i ever will. If you think she's guilty and the evidence supports it, right on.

As for the mental health question, I have not been able to observe the anthony woman like i have the manson people, with the hours of interviews conducted with them over many years. But I doubt she is a true sociopath. Based on what i do know about her, i would tag her with a personality disorder, more than one, in fact. Borderline and Narcissistic are the ones that spring to mind, but i'm rusty at this stuff. A true sociopath is really scary, because it is not at all obvious what they are, even to people close to them. People like Ted Bundy or Dennis Rader (btk murders) are good examples. They are liars and manipulators, true, but these are indicators of a personality disorder as well. Sociopaths are usually "tightly wrapped", not a mess of a human like the anthony woman. They lack a basic kind of emotional awareness that allows most of us to have a moral conscience, but they don't lack sense. As long as they don't become psychotic, they are well aware of what is expected of them, and are very good at showing you exactly what they need to, to manipulate how you see them. They are usually charismatic, and socially adept, and lies and masks are second nature to them. They see such deception as a purely practical thing, to get what they want; an example of their intelligence and skill. Leslie Van Houten at her parole hearings comes to mind; i find her behavior in some of the video footage to be simply disturbing. But that's another post for another thread.

Anyway, that's basically what i posted before, and that is the last post from me on this subject for at least a year or two.

Goodnight, all. :)

katie8753 said...

Hi 8/9 Baby. Thanks for your post.

Your description of a sociopath fits Casey to a "T". I know you didn't watch the trial, so you couldn't possibly have seen her body language, or heard the day by day lies she told to cover up the fact that her daughter was missing.

There was one point when Casey's mother was on the stand, and they played the 9-1-1 tape that was Cindy's call to the police when she finally found out that her granddaughter was missing.

It was clear on the tape that Cindy was feeling outrage and fear. Outrage that her own daughter lied about her granddaughter being missing, and fear about where her granddaughter was. Cindy broke down in a puddle of tears on the stand.

They did a split screen on TV, showing Cindy & Casey. While Cindy was falling to pieces in tears, Casey was just staring at her stone faced, with her eyebrows down, like a glare.

After the testimony and Cindy was exiting the witness stand, she mouthed the words "I love you" to Casey. Casey's response was an eye roll, and a quick look down.

Now that coldness is bone-chilling.

That's only one example of what I saw day after day.

It's clear to me that Casey Anthony doesn't care about anyone but herself. She blames everyone else for her troubles. That makes her dangerous.

katie8753 said...

I agree that the prosecution's case was not a "slam dunk". But, they did the best they could.

Since the body had decomposed into just skeletal remains, it was impossible to prove how and when she died. The only thing they had was the duct tape, but unfortunately, the defense was able to argue that it wasn't affixed across the mouth & nose, as due to rain storms and animals foraging thru the bones, the tape was distorted. Tape loses its adhesion eventually, especially in water.

If Casey hadn't lied all those months, that body would have been found earlier, thereby leaving more evidence. She basically cleared her own way to a "not guilty" verdict by her own actions.

katie8753 said...

Oh and they also had the bag that the body was found in. It was a matching bag to a bag found in the Anthony home. This YELLS that someone in the Anthony home dumped the body.

I'm still scratching my head over that jury. Were they even listening? They took very few notes, and never asked for a single piece of evidence during their deliberations. It's like they just didn't care.

Amazing!

St. Circumstance said...

Very sad story....

Poor little child taken so soon...

So many losers in this story- so many lives torn apart..

So much anger, and hatred surrounding the family and attorneys, and of course the one who caused the whole thing...

Bad feelings all the way around..

Now I am not one to except " crazy" as an excuse for crimes- almost EVER!!!

But this girl made up an entire person, and let police walk her around an office she never worked at, and took them to places she had never been...

While she had to know- weather she was involved or not- that people would be looking at her closely- she not only went out and partied- but let people take pictures of it??? all the while- knowing that eventually something would have to happen... never gnawed at her at all??

It is hard for me to argue there is NOT something really wrong with this person...

This might be one of the few times there might actually be something to gain by putting her away somewhere and studying her...

Again- these are the scariest ones to me- not the Charlie Manson types who you can recognize and prepare for/deal with...

Its the ones who live on your street, and look just like you, and who do the same things...

The ones you never see coming are the ones who scare me the most...

take a closer look the next time they flash one of those videos of Casey playing on the floor with her baby holding onto her legs and arms, swinging back and forth...

you think anyone saw this one coming???

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

((((((((((Circumstance))))))))))

Great Post!
Hope all is well with you!

St. Circumstance said...

Never better...

your site continues to both grow and impress

:)

Saw my mention a few posts back..

Thanks very much as always

;) Marleise

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

To 8/9 Baby:

You said you could care less whether, or not, Casey is guilty twice... I believe more.

8/9:"i just don't care much if she's guilty or not".

In fact, you said the "media sensation", is more important to you.

8/9:"when the case became a "media sensation", that is what mattered to me. Not whether she is guilty".

You went on to say:
"My only interest in the anthony case is that so many others are so interested in it".

AND

"i would like to know what really happened in this case, but only so I can understand how the story was played by the media and what was distorted".
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Lynyrd's Response:

I combed through your entire post, searching for some tid-bit, I could agree with.
Some twist of semantics, which I could use to justify agreeing with you... to no avail. LOL

For me, determining whether Casey is, or isn't, guilty, is the ONLY important factor here.
Securing justice for CayLee, and taking a criminal off the streets of our society, is the only important factor.

I couldn't care less about the media, or how many other folks watched, or showed interest, in the case.

I also believe, the prosecution did an ample job, and the jury failed.

Putting Casey behind bars, is the first and foremost goal.
Once she's behind bars... experts will have the rest of her life, to study her psychologically.
... and, the media will slowly recede, like an aging man's hairline.

As for folks (including you), who keep saying the prosecution "over-shot" by reaching for first-degree, instead of manslaughter... it's simply in-accurate.
Casey had a list of "counts"... and one was "manslaughter".
Manslaughter, was indeed, on the list of options, completely open to the jury.

The only thing we can agree on... is that the media is/was completely annoying.
The media served as nothing more than a complete distraction to justice.
How that fact (the annoying media) becomes the most interesting, and IMPORTANT factor in Caylee's death, is completely beyond me.

Sorry 8/9.
But... we just totally dis-agree on this one.
I've tried... but find zero common ground.

Your statement which actually disgusted me at some level, was this:
"i would like to know what really happened in this case, but only so I can understand how the story was played by the media and what was distorted".

The ONLY reason you care to know what really happened, is to study the media???
That's kinda disturbing.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Oh... actually 8/9.

There is one, other tidbit we agree on.

I myself, think this subject has exhausted itself.

Casey killed that little girl, and got away with it.
There's nothing more to talk about.
It's over... and there's nothing anyone can do about it, now.

So yeah... I'm pretty much done with it.
I was done with it, after the verdict was read.

BUT... there are some folks, who feel better about discussing things.
It brings them "closure", I guess... and, that's fine.
So, for that reason... I'm still participating, and allowing others to "air" their feelings.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

To Everyone:

I think our time and effort (as a society), would be well-invested... studying how a jury can drop the ball like this.
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To 8/9 Baby:

I submit, that educating jurors porperly, for the DUTY, they are about to perform... would be time much better invested, than studying the media, and it's related circus.

katie8753 said...

Hi Circumstance!! Good to see you!

Well, here's what's happening today.

Juror #12 has quit her job and moved from Florida because of death threats.

George & Cindy Anthony are getting death threats and have police protection. I don't know how long that will last. Why anyone is threatening them I don't know.

Some of the jurors have stated that "we didn't think she was innocent, but the prosecution didn't prove her guilty."

I'm not sure what that means.

They claim "we were crying and sick to our stomachs to vote not guilty".

HHHHHHHUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH????

Is this the biazarro world??

St. Circumstance said...

:) Katie

You as well!!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

OK... maybe "disgusted", was a bit strong. LOLOL

Let's go with "surprised". LOL

Marliese said...

Katie said >>>But I've often wondered....if the jury does go into deliberation, what do they do first?
I know there is a foreman...does he just say "okay if you want to vote guilty raise your hand"? And then take it from there?<<<<



Not sure about other places but the first thing we did after getting situated in the room for deliberations was choose our foreman. We'd been together quite awhile by then so that was pretty easy.

The next thing we did was set our hours. The bailiff had explained that we could set our own schedule so we set 9:00 to 4:00 hours...trying to get around the worst of the traffic in and out of downtown. We took our breaks and lunch whenever we felt like it...we were locked in so we had to buzz the bailiff to let us out...he'd be there instantly whenever we buzzed. And we called him a lot because we had so many requests! He called us his 'needy' jury. He was very helpful.

We didn't take our first vote until the fifth day...after establishing at the start that we weren't ready. We'd write it down on a piece of paper, anonymously, fold it up and send it down the table to the foreman. There were several charges, the lesser charges dependent on a guilty for the most serious, so we started there...after first doing our homework. We had a white board and several easels with poster size paper...by the end, the walls were covered with all the paper we'd taped up on the walls with notes and outlines, and the white board filled. I question whether or not this jury could possibly have done the same...in a little over a day.

Marliese said...

St. Circumstance, you're here!
Great to see you. :)

TomG said...

There seems to be many interesting comments here about Casey Anthony.

Zanny the Nanny is code for the kid is knocked out on Xanax. As of June 16, 2008, forever.

As was posted here, Leslie Van Houten has done 42 years and counting for stabbing a dead middle-aged woman in the ass. I know that subject is disputed and this thread is not the appropiate place for arguing that matter.

The subject is that human justice is a crap shoot at best. It probably begins and ends with jury selection. I have served on three juries and there are always a few jurors who are clock watchers and just want to get the hell out of there. Wherever the majority goes, they will agree with.

Like the OJ trial, the defense wore them down, the science was over their head, the common sense apparently was not a priority.

So a sociopathic child killer will go free and probably even make a few paydays. But jail might be the safest place for her. No Bella Vita for Casey.

katie8753 said...

Hi Marliese. Thanks for explaining the process in such detail. I never knew all that.

But I have basic questions, like..what is the foreman's first job? I mean how do you begin? Does he bring up stuff from the trial and then you vote?

Do you have troublemakers the stand up and yell and slam their shoe on the table (oh...wait a minute...I do that...I wasn't there. HA HA).

It sounds like you and the other jurors spent a lot of time on this.

These Anthony jurors didn't spend any time at all. They didn't do their duty. If they had questions about what "reasonable doubt" is, they didn't even ask.

Now I'm hearing all kinds of things that the jurors are sickened and disgusted by their verdict. What possessed them to reach it?????

does everybody know everybody's name?

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katie8753 said...

Hi Tom. You can talk about anything you want to here.

Some people might not agree with what you say, but you can say it all you want.

I've been a hard-nosed supporter of the fact that Leslie & Pat should NEVER be paroled.

But after this fiasco in Florida, I've changed my mind.

BECAUSE....Leslie Van Houten and Pat Krenwinkel are not (in my opinion) a threat to society.

Casey Anthony IS!! That bitch is dangerous!! I'm serious as a heart attack.

To tell lie upon lie upon lie like she did, even taking it up several notches when she KNEW she was going to be busted, and never backing off the lie until it absolutely COULD NOT be supported anymore. That's scarily true.

This girl has the ultimate poker face.

She is a danger to society as a whole. Anyone who associates with her is stupid.

TomG said...

If I could respond to what katie8753 just posted....

I probably could live with little Caylee Anthony being drugged by her Momma, and then while dozing, the duct tape being placed over her mouth and nose. I could live with that....not well, but I could get on.

It would be more difficult to me, if she was terrified, if it was a scene like why is Mommy doing this to me. I would not want that innocent to leave our world, our life like that.

Some might say these crimes happen on a daily basis, and it is only a subject matter because we have an attractive middle-class white girl who has some media presence involved.

I don't know. I'm astonished. I don't know what to say, actually. Our strongest instinct is to protect the small and defenseless.

katie8753 said...

Tom I agree completely.

We can only hope that little Caylee didn't feel any terror or pain.

Being suffocated has to be one of the scariest deaths there is.

There probably are few people on earth who haven't felt the terror of not being able to breathe. I myself have experienced it, and it's anything but pleasant.

I guess it's one thing to kill people you don't even know (Manson killers)...and quite another to purposely and methodically kill a a sweet little daughter who knows no evil, who only thinks mommies are good.

My heart goes out to Caylee's grandparents, who never even got to say goodbye, who don't even really know what happened to their precious Caylee.

And if anyone wants to harp on this "dysfunctional family" crap, all they have to do is watch the videos of little Caylee.

Only loving people take so many pictures and videos of her sweet little pasttimes and songs.

It was brought up at trial that Casey was a good mother, that provided for her child.

Casey didn't do that. Her parents did. The only reason Caylee had any type of real life was because of George & Cindy Anthony.

Caylee had no one to protect her from the monster that happens to be named "mommy".

I hope someday...there will be justice for little Caylee.

katie8753 said...

This just in:

The jury foreman on the Anthony jury was "sick to him stomach" that he had to sign off on the verdict, knowing the Casey Anthony would have to sign off too.

Check it out.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/071111-casey-anthony-trial-jury-foreman-speaks-out

Also, there is a lot of debate if Casey Anthony will see any of the money that that baby-killer has already spent.

Stay tuned!!!

katie8753 said...

BTW I was listening to the trial testimony of Cindy Anthony today (I hadn't heard all of it previously because I didn't realize that it was on TV) and it was intense.

She was LIVID when she found out Casey had been lying for 31 days about her granddaughter.

LIVID.

As well she should have been.

She had been listening to made up fairy tales for 31 days and had had just about enough!!!

She tore her a new asshole.

She accused Casey of being jealous of her.

Now it all falls into place.

the grandmother has the time and patience to play with her, sing with her, teach her things, etc.

The mother has 3 seconds a day to play with her because she'd rather be off partying and getting fucked.

Who does Caylee prefer? The grandmother.

Another motive to kill.

This story just keeps gettin' better and better!

beauders said...

the truly scary thing about casey anthony is that there are tens of thousands of people just like her running around this country--they just never come to the attention of the public because they don't kill little cute children--instead they emotionally, physically, and emotionally abuse them which in turn create more sociopaths.

beauders said...

the idea that casey was jealous that her daughter preferred cindy to her is quite evident but i also believe that casey was jealous that cindy loved caylee more than she loved casey.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Hi Tom, and welcome to the blog!


Tom said:
>>>>"As was posted here, Leslie Van Houten has done 42 years and counting for stabbing a dead middle-aged woman in the ass. I know that subject is disputed and this thread is not the appropiate place for arguing that matter".<<<<

This is a great place to make that comparison Tom.
Be my guest... discuss whatever you want.
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Tom said:
>>>>"The subject is that human justice is a crap shoot at best. It probably begins and ends with jury selection. I have served on three juries and there are always a few jurors who are clock watchers and just want to get the hell out of there. Wherever the majority goes, they will agree with".<<<<

I agree.
"Man's justice" is imperfect at best.
To complicate things... (I think) many folks in our society, take the whole concept of "duty" (civic, or otherwise), as a complete joke nowadays.
The whole concept of donating one's time and effort, for the common good... and doing what's right (even if it's inconvenient)... has gone straight down the crapper.
It's a "ME" society.
Some jurors simply don't want to be there, and, as you said... "they go wherever the majority goes".
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Tom said:
>>>>"Like the OJ trial, the defense wore them down, the science was over their head, the common sense apparently was not a priority".<<<<

I agree.
I think the science was over some of their heads... and indeed... common sense, and honest service to justice and society... was not a priority for some of these folks.

What astonishes me Tom... is that, 12 people were in total agreement, after just 8 hours (or so), of deliberation??

Heck, not ONE person (out of 12), thought enough of the evidence presented (and the child's death) to to invest a little more time?
These folks were able to completely process, and discuss, ALL the testimony and evidence amongst a group of that size, and formulate a unanimous decision that quickly?
Was it really THAT obvious, to ALL 12 them, that Casey was innocent of all counts???
These folks were either geniuses (and the most homogeneous group on the planet)... or, simply dis-interested... and wanted to go home.
What else can you figure?

It's near impossible, to get twelve people to agree on anything.
I've started many threads, on many subjects.
The chances of twelve folks in total agreement??... personally, I've never seen it yet!
I just don't understand how that's possible.

If these folks deliberated for 3 weeks... I'd feel a LOT better... even if the outcome was the same.
At least, I'd feel, they gave the case the respect it deserved.

Peace... Lynyrd

TomG said...

Well, the time has come to just let the matter go. We have a jury system and while many feel these people failed in a spectacular way, they probably did what they thought was right.

It shakes me to my core that as a society we side with a pleasure seeking sociopath than with an innocent child.

But it is what it is and the game is far from over. In the end, you really don't get away with who you are and what you have done.

Marliese said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...
>>>That's exactly the point, I made a couple days ago.
If you take the time, and listen to ALL the parts/evidence... and then... take the time to piece together, ALL those parts, logically, and reasonably... it's revealing.<<<<


Jeff Ashton also made some of those same points in his half of the prosecution's closing argument. He was talking about the wildly "absurd" accusations made by the defense against George Anthony and reasonable doubt. He used the word absurd several times, with the defense objecting and being overruled each time. Absurd and faulty vs logically and reasonably.

Marliese said...

Katie said >>>Oh and they also had the bag that the body was found in. It was a matching bag to a bag found in the Anthony home. This YELLS that someone in the Anthony home dumped the body.
I'm still scratching my head over that jury. Were they even listening? They took very few notes, and never asked for a single piece of evidence during their deliberations. It's like they just didn't care.>>>>




I guess it would have been easier for these 12 people if during the trial someone had come rushing through the courtroom doors at the eleventh hour with all the answers like happens on TV!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Tom said:
>>>>"Well, the time has come to just let the matter go. We have a jury system and while many feel these people failed in a spectacular way, they probably did what they thought was right".<<<<

I agree.
This has to wind to a close, and rightfully so.
The woman was found innocent, according to our own judicial system.
For better or worse... and imperfect as it is... this is our system... and we have to abide by it... and live with it's outcome(s).
Globally speaking, I still believe our system is one of the best.
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Tom said:
>>>>"But it is what it is and the game is far from over. In the end, you really don't get away with who you are and what you have done".<<<<

I made a similar statement a few threads back.

Basically what I said was this:
Casey is obviously irresponsible, dis-honest and self-absorbed.
She will likely have a tough time maintaining a marriage, holding a steady job, raising children (shudder)... and, even being a true friend to anyone.

Careers, marriages, children and friendships, are the biggies in life... and she will likely fail at all the above, unless something radically changes.

This young woman, will likely end-up making a complete mess of her life,... and hurting everyone around her.
She'll leave a wake of misery behind her.
The prognosis for her future isn't bright.

She (likely) won't end-up in jail for murder... but, she'll create another form of misery for herself... and unfortunately, for others.

Tom... there's an old saying that I repeat often, and it applies here.
They say: "if you give a fool enough rope, they'll hang themselves".
Truer words were never spoken.

Or, as my Dad used to say:
"Some people are their own worst enemies".

katie8753 said...

This is far from over for me.

I wouldn't personally participate in vigilante justice.

But....I would DEFINITELY be willing to picket outside a bookstore if there was any new book on the market which would make a dime of blood money for either Casey or any of the jurors.

For them to profit off the blood of a young girl is barbaric and unacceptable.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens on July 19th, when she's deposed. She has no choice in the matter. If she doesn't cooperate and try to disappear, she could have a warrant out for her arrest.

And yes Beauders, I think you're right on both counts. Casey may have been jealous of Caylee regarding her mother, and there are probably 1000's of other nutjobs like Casey who don't kill, but just abuse their children, and the cycle continues.

katie8753 said...

I agree that most of the evidence was scientific. I personally watched expert after expert, doctors, scientists, pathologists, anthropologists, bontanists, etc., and I have to admit that after hearing someone drone on and on about scientific jargon that you don't understand, it's easy to let your mind wander.

They kept trying to "dumb it down" for the jurors, but it's hard to dumb that kind of scientific jargon down to a lay person.

It's easy to listen to witnesses say "Oh yeah Casey lied about this and that", but the other evidence was probably too boring for them to absorb.

HOWEVER....if that is the case, they just should have taken the time to clarify, clarify, clarify during deliberations. And they didn't.

I heard on the news last night that it was 6 & 6 on the manslaughter charge at first, then the 6 that wanted not guilty wore the 6 that wanted guilty down, basically because they wanted to get the hell outta Dodge.

Probably the most important decision these people will ever make. And they blew it.

Tragedy.

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katie8753 said...

If Columbo had only been assigned to the TLB murders, they'd have been solved in a couple of weeks. HA HA.

Thanks Lynn for the book info!

Lynn said...

If Columbo had been assigned to the Casey Anthony case- she would be behind bars for a very long time :)

I loved Peter Falk. Was sad to hear when he died.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I have to admit, I've never watched "Columbo", but... I always loved a similar show (well, I think it was similar, but, I have no real basis for comparison), called "The Rockford Files" starring James Garner!

I always loved the theme song.
He had (I believe) a gold Camaro/Corvette or something.
He was just a real down-to-earth, regular bachelor-guy... who made mistakes, but, always got the bad guy.
You could picture him as the guy next door... his character wasn't sensationalized at all.
In fact... making him a humble, "regular guy"... seemed like the biggest part of the "schtick".
He always owed people money, doubted himself, and actually resided in a trailer. LOLOL
(No, he wasn't "trailer-trash" though, LOL)
To further "keep it real", his older father was even one of the characters, whom he often consulted for advice... and, he had a side-kick of sorts... a scruffy dude named "Angel".
You could almost picture "James Rockford" (the guy next door), picking you up, for a ride-along, on was of his "runs".
It really was a great show.

Anyone remember that one?

St. Circumstance said...

Matlock would have gotten the job done as well....

he would have a chili cheese dog first-

But after that ....

St. Circumstance said...

Jim Rockford

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

LOLOL

I beat you with Jim Rockford, by a half a second!!! hahaha

St. Circumstance said...

Still beating me after all this time...

:)

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

LOL

Nah, not really...

Age is catching-up to me. : )

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Sorry folks...

That's.... "a ride-along, on ONE of his "runs".

NOT: "a ride-along, on WAS of his "runs".

Doe!

Jeez... I AM getting old.
"One", has absolutely nothing to do with "was". LOL

katie8753 said...

Hey don't forget about Sherlock Holmes (Basil Rathbone).

Sherlock would have had the TLB murders AND the Anthony case figured out in 10 minutes, with irrefutable evidence!!!

"Elementary my dear Watson."

HA HA.

katie8753 said...

I loved the way Columbo always fooled people by appearing to be dishevelled and rather stupid. He threw people off guard.

By asking obvious and seemingly stupid questions, he was able to pinpoint the perp every time!! LOL.

Hey, does anyone remember McMillian & Wife. I liked that show too.

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katie8753 said...

Oh...I forgot about McCloud. Loved that one too!!

In 1971 & 1972, NBC developed The NBC Mystery Movie, and the first pilots were Columbo, McCloud & McMillan & Wife.

I loved all three of these. I remember watching them every week. One of the best installments NBC ever had other than Cheers & Seinfeld!!

Okay...now I'm opening up a can of worms!! HA HA.

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katie8753 said...

Oh Lynn, I LOVED The Partridge Family. I was soooo in love with David Cassidy back then. Sigh!!! Haven't seen those episodes in YEARS!! LOL.

I'm a die-hard Seinfeld fan too. I have the DVD's, but it's funny, I only watch Seinfeld when it's re-runs on TV. Go figure!!

Lynn said...

Speaking of sitcoms, just read that Sherwood Schwartz, creator of Brady Bunch and Gilligan's Island has died.

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Marliese said...

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...
I have to admit, I've never watched "Columbo", but... I always loved a similar show (well, I think it was similar, but, I have no real basis for comparison), called "The Rockford Files" starring James Garner!
Anyone remember that one?



I sure do! The trailer set was at Paradise Cove on the PCH.

The Paradise Cove Beach Cafe there used to be called The Sandcastle...I still call it The Sandcastle! My parents used to go there a lot, it was a favorite stop coming from the airport, perfect for lunch and for company from back east to see the ocean up close.

We still go there once in awhile, it's not expensive, just casual and cool Sunday brunch. There's history there with my parents and family so i love it.
My Dad loved the Rockford Files.

There is an actual mobile home park in Paradise Cove too...not on the sand like the Rockford set, but right there above the parking lot...very popular now, lots and lots of colorful history...it has evolved over the years...not exactly trailer trash!

Barbra Streisand's fabulous estate is right next door. :)

Lynn said...

I love Paradise Cove too! The restaurant is wonderful and love that particular beach in Malibu.

katie8753 said...

Marliese, Barbra Streisand's estate is next to a trailer park????

Marliese & Lynn, you both make me miss Southern Cal SOOOOO Much!!!

I used to visit California every year back in the 80's & 90's. I loved it there. The climate...the beautiful plants and flowers...amazingly beautiful!!

So many neat little places to experience, like you're describing.

My younger son was talking about wanting to go to Disney World in Orlando a while back, and I told him "if you really want a good time with beautiful weather, go to Disneyland in Anaheim, CA. It's truly "The Happiest Place on Earth"!!!

Marliese said...

I love it there Lynn! How about Malibu Seafood? Do you go there? It's a seafood market with picnic tables, just north of Pepperdine. We take our own wine and a table cloth. Nice view and fun. :)

Lynn said...

When I am in Malibu, there is another bar we frequent- cannot think of the name of it now, but it is right on the water. We also have hit Neptunes, which always seems to be packed. There is also an Italian restaurant- just down the way from Paradise Cove...it's not on the water side- it's an italian restaurant by day and a place for bands to play at night. It is absolutely beautiful. Never have been to Malibu Seafood, Marliese- will have to check it out. I love going to Malibu, but we tend to end up in Santa Monica or Venice a little more often.

Hi Katie,

I went to the Disneyland Adventure a few years back- it was more "adult themed" and had an outdoor bar to sip cocktails. I have not been to DisneyWorld but went to Epcot Center a few years back and loved it.

Lynn said...

Should clarify- adult themed means geared for adults...have to remember to clarify that since I live in the Valley- LOL.

bobby said...

I grew up wathching the rockford files 1974-1980. Fond memories watching it with my Dad. Lynyrd, i think it was a firebird.

I never would have imagined 30 some years later Marliese desribing the where abouts of the trailer & park. Never knew there was a pacific coast highway lol.

Thanks.

Marliese said...

katie8753 said...
Marliese, Barbra Streisand's estate is next to a trailer park????



LOL. This isn't your average trailer park! When i said next door, i meant a hill and a cliff over. :) She's next to Paradise Cove, around a cliff from there. That section of PCH is not up close to the ocean like it is in other places. There are cliffs and peninsulas between PCH and the beach with roads and trails leading down to the beach...like Paradise Cove Rd down to the Cafe on the beach and the spot where Rockford was made...the trailer park is tucked in off Paradise Cove Rd...her property is the next several parcels over, around the cliff from the Rockford spot...she has acres and acres including breathtaking beachfront parcels. She tore down the crummy shack of a house that used to be there and built a goregous estate.
The main house, guesthouse and several other buildings on her property are barn style and red, a similar red to the original Cielo house. It's absolute perfection.

Lynn said...

http://www.paradisecovemalibu.com/

Marliese said...

>>>> Never have been to Malibu Seafood, Marliese- will have to check it out.<<<<

Hi Lynn...it's nothing fancy, a seafood market with a takeout window...fresh seafood and picnic tables, not enough parking. :) Good though and nice view.

katie8753 said...

Marliese, Lynn, thanks for your comments. You're both so sweet!

Like I said, southern cal is an idealic place to vacation, bar none.

Now...back to slut face.

No. 1: the foreman of the jury is NOW saying that George Anthony is guilty because he killed Caylee.

WHAT HORSEHIT!!!!

He never molested Casey. No proof of that!

Well guess what folks??? He didn't. There's no proof of that!

A defense lawyer should be held accountable for his opening remarks.

If he makes remarks that a "father molested his daughter", then he needs to back that up with the truth.

No truth was ever backed up.

That's a malicious, slanderous remark that could be met with a lawsuit!!! Prove it up, motherfucker!!!! Never did, you fucking goddam spick. Never even tried did you, asshole??

No you didn't....because you can't.. Fucker.

That attorney, Jose Baez (some spick) SHOULD be held accountable.

He talked to his family in spanish after the verdict.

I wouldn't call that spanish. I know spanish. It was more "Puerto Rican Spick".

It was not castillian spanish.

That spick is trying to get Casey into Peurto Rico.

I hope it's on his own dime.

Because I hope the State of Florida is "off the dime" of this fucking bitch.

And that fucking bitch better learn "PR spanish" if she wants to survive.

I HATE THAT FUCKING BITCH.. And I hate her stupid cunt defense team.

This team of retards didn't prove her innocent...rather they intimated that George was guilty.

Why?

Because he was mad.

He was mad because they accused him of child molestation, they accused him of hiding the body, they accused him of having an affair with a greasy woman with black hair.

I don't blame him for being mad. I'd be mad too!!!

A woman who had an alias. River Cruz. A woman who had been in trouble with the law before. A woman who got $4000 from National Enquirer. A woman who wanted attention in this case. A greasy woman who needed attention. A fucking greaser that wanted revenge because she thought George had thoughts of her and he didn't.

Those people, as well as the jurors, need to burn in hell.

Those jurors need to burn in hell.

I've heard the tapes wherein the police questioned her. She lied the whole fucking time to them.

Casey Anthony killed her child. She lied.

If anyone doesn't know that, you're stupid.

She DID. And I don't care if you want it to go away or not...it won't.

She fucking killed her child.

NOW....we all have to live with it, because the jury was a bunch of fucking pussies.

FUCK US!!!

katie8753 said...

I said in the mid 90's that the internet was the Devil's highway.

I was very upset about this new technology.

I present that Casey Anthony made use of the Devil's Highway, to dispose of her daughter.

She had the "gift of gab".

She knew how to this and that with folks.

When her lies ran out, she just laughed, "oh yeah....ha ha ha."

Fucxing bitch.

All the while her daughter was drying out.

I can't imagine putting a little child in a bag, and throwing her in the swamp.

A little child who sang "you are my sunshine...my only sunshine."

I can't even imagine it.

I hope that you people don't ever forget the butchery and the unimaginable horror that went on when litte Caylee died.

I hope she didn't feel any pain. I hope she didni't feel any terror, like a child having a nightmare.

I feel really sad that Caylee died. She didn't deserve death. She was just learning to live....

Anyone who has ever had a little toddler should contribute. I've had 2 toddlers in my life. And I'll tell you...it just got better and better.

The more you teach, the closer they get to being a person.

Casey is a fucking monster.

She should have wished that she stayed in prison.

Because her life outside prison is going to be fucked up!!!

And that's not a premoniton, it's fact!!!

That bitch better hide!!! And watch!! HA HA.

Marliese said...

Katie, you are so right, she did. She absolutely did, without doubt she killed her child. I have no idea how she did it...if she overdosed her with a usual habit of knocking her out on xanax so she could party...'where's caylee?' 'zanny's taking care of her' and putting her down to sleep in the trunk of the car, i don't know if it was an accidental overdose or deliberate, but she did it...she caused her death and she came back to that car, found Caylee dead, and probably left her there and spent the day in bed with her boyfriend.

Did she put the duct tape on her little face after she was dead to make it look like an abduction? When do the experts believe the duct tape was placed on her face?

I completely agree...since when is it ethical for a defense attorney to lie in order to throw doubt on his client...the biggest liar of them all.

What's up with the release of the video they have of Casey when she was told remains had been discovered in the swamp? Have you heard if there's any news when that may happen? It's been said that in the jail when she was told there was news of possible leads or remains, she never reacted...until she heard remains had been found in the swamp and then she freaked out...rocking back and forth with anxiety...totally opposite of her usual reaction. The judge ruled the video of that behavior was not admissable...not admissable because it reveals guilt? Well yeah, she knew it was up then. Her baby had been found, what was left of her baby after the swamp water and animals and insects got to her decomposing remains.

katie8753 said...

That fucking bitch better hope that the spick can hide her.

Because if he can't, she's worm's meat.

She is a homocidal maniac's most wanted dream.

She is the ulimate wet dream of another sociopath. A divided family drama...a Hitler's Valkyrie!!!

Hoooooo---Waaahhhhh!!!

Casey, fuck you!!!!!

See ya....wouldn't wanta be ya.....


HA HA.

HA HA HA.

Hoo hoo.

Can't want to see it plane out.

YEAH!!!!!

Marliese said...

TomG said...
Zanny the Nanny is code for the kid is knocked out on Xanax. As of June 16, 2008, forever.


I think so too...referring to xanax as zanny when people would ask where's Caylee, she's with zanny. And when little Caylee died, she had to find a real Zanny.

Lynn said...

You almost wonder if someone was paid off....I wonder why that video was not shown....and why it was allowed that they pointed fingers at the father.....

katie8753 said...

Hi Marliese.

>>>Katie, you are so right, she did. She absolutely did, without doubt she killed her child. I have no idea how she did it...if she overdosed her with a usual habit of knocking her out on xanax so she could party>>>


Well if she had zanax I didn't know that. I've heard so many bad things. Blaahhh.

>>...'where's caylee?' 'zanny's taking care of her' and putting her down to sleep in the trunk of the car, i don't know if it was an accidental overdose or deliberate, but she did it...she caused her death and she came back to that car, found Caylee dead, and probably left her there and spent the day in bed with her boyfriend.>>>

Marliese, there was no Zanny.

There was no fucking nanny.

We know that now.

The addresses she gave for Zanny were defunct. It was just an apartment that was vacated in March 2008.

There was no Zanny.

SHE MADE IT UP!!

Along with everthing she made up!!!!

>>>Yeah, Zanny. That's real funny.

Did she put the duct tape on her little face after she was dead to make it look like an abduction? When do the experts believe the duct tape was placed on her face?>>>

The tape was placed on her face By Casey. Hopefully after the chroloform was given to her.

Zanny was never there. Zanny was made up!!


>>>I completely agree...since when is it ethical for a defense attorney to lie in order to throw doubt on his client...the biggest liar of them all>>>

Jose Baez lied about George molesting Casey.

>>>>What's up with the release of the video they have of Casey when she was told remains had been discovered in the swamp? Have you heard if there's any news when that may happen? It's been said that in the jail when she was told there was news of possible leads or remains, she never reacted...until she heard remains had been found in the swamp and then she freaked out...rocking back and forth with anxiety...totally opposite of her usual reaction. The judge ruled the video of that behavior was not admissable...not admissable because it reveals guilt? Well yeah, she knew it was up then. Her baby had been found, what was left of her baby after the swamp water and animals and insects got to her decomposing remains.



I know that Casey is guilty.>>>

Yes she is guilty. She is a guilty bitch.

Casey Anthony is a lying sombitch.

that's what we call it in Texas. A lying sombitch.

Casey Anthony is a liar. A fucking liar.

You fucking pussy jurors can say "she's so sweet" but she's a lying fucking murderer and so are you.

fucking assholes.

You can all kiss you own asses goodbye.

Bye bye.....stupid fuckers.

You will own meet your own death.

You can read that George killed Caylee, but you will know, when that "dath blow" hits you, that you were fucking wrong.

Assholes.

katie8753 said...

Marliese and Lynn.

Thanks for your posts.

I don't think Casey's that smart to think of zanax.

I don't think she's smart at all.

I think she's dumb.

I think she's a dumb asss motherfucker. A clueless cunt that can't think of anything.

I do know one thing...she will die...as sure as I'm sittin' here.

She will die.

And all the animals and people who are suffering.

They will suddenly wake up.

Because that bitch will die.


I know that.

Hide and watch!!!

katie8753 said...

Hide and Watch.

I know that!!!

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I'm just getting home.

Thanks to Marliese, Bob, and Lynn for their wonderful commentary(ies), regarding the old "Rockford Files" show, and the surrounding area.
Just as Bob, I know nothing of the history, or layout, of that area (of California).
It's great to know "James Rockford" was in such a gorgeous place, surrounded by cool people and GREAT FOOD! LOLOL

And yes... his trailer was pretty cool! hahaha

Great memories... thanks.

katie8753 said...

I danced and laughed at I Just can't wait to be king>


She will die.,

I know that.
I let my hair down.

that fucking bitch has til Sunday.

I'll give her that.

The countdown's on.

She has until Sunday.


fuck her.

I'll let you know!

If you should.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

I'm promised myself, I wouldn't get sucked into this topic again, but...

You folks are telling me, that every time Casey would say "Caylee is with Zanny"... that meant she had drugged the girl with xanax???

Jeez... this just keeps getting more disgusting by the second.
Damn... that's horrible.

I think I could have gone the rest of my life, without that visual/knowledge.

OK... I'm done, again. LOL

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Talk about a CRIME!!

Kimchi just sent me THIS! LOLOL

Gawd Damn! That's gotta suck.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43732006/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

That's just taking things way too far.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Seriously Lady... just kill the freakin' dude in his sleep, and get it over with.
I mean Gawd-Damn...

She actually drugged the guy to put him asleep and tie him up... THEN PURPOSELY WAITED UNTIL HE AWOKE... TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.
I'm sorry, but that's just medieval stuff.

Marliese said...

Katie said >>>Marliese, there was no Zanny.<<<<


You're right, but there are reports (no idea how credible) that one of her boyfriends said she would drug Caylee with xanax to get her to sleep. So that's where the theory comes from that zanny was code for xanax...and then she stole Zenaida's name after she saw it written at some apts...when she needed to match the name up with a person. Even though she never met the lady.

There's also talk that she moved up to chloroform to drug the baby when she ran out of xanax.

Another question...before the trial, did Jose Baez approach the DA hoping for a plea agreement if Casey confessed and pleaded guilty??

katie8753 said...

Marliese, there was no plea agreement according to the DA. However, when the dour-faced "questiontionable sex" (can't say the other word) defense was questioned, it was fuzzy.

Soooo. I'll let you decide if the "defense" is telling the truth.


Let me just say this, there was a "woman" on the defense team that "probably licked (errr...liked) Casey. HA HA.

I haven't heard the "xanax" info, but did hear today that Casey was "pimping" her daughter out, thus the reason for not reporting to police.

This story just gets better and better.

I'd love to hand Casey over to Manson.

I'd feel all warm and snuggly then.

Seriously, this bitch is not safe. She's safe now, but after the 17th, she's anything BUT safe!!!

I'll guarantee you that.

katie8753 said...

Oh Marliese, the video of Casey when she found out about the remains being found?

I kept hearing today that it would be played, but I was on the phone off and on all evening, so I'm not sure if it was or not.

I'm sure, that if it was, I'll see it tomorrow.

I'll let you know.

If the judge had only let everything be admissible, this case would have turned out differently!!

beauders said...

now katie why did you have to go and do that for. casey's attorney is not a lesbian, i would think she is more a mother figure to her. i swear you are preoccupied with lesbians. i bet you see a lesbian under every bush.

LynyrdSkynyrdBand said...

Oh Gawd...

Is this true Katie?
Are we back on the "lesbian kick" again?

Beauders:
Any female Katie doesn't like, is evidently a lesbian.
Not sure what to tell ya, at this point.

Katie:
Can we please be done with this lesbian fixation, once and for all?
I really don't need this crap.

Peace to All... Lynyrd.

katie8753 said...

>>Beauders said: now katie why did you have to go and do that for. casey's attorney is not a lesbian, i would think she is more a mother figure to her. i swear you are preoccupied with lesbians. i bet you see a lesbian under every bush.>>

Beauders have a look.....

If it walks like a duck...quacks like a duck...shits like a duck....then it is a DUCK.

Her name is Ann Finnell.

http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/news2011/casey-anthony-ann-finnell-2-0627_rdax_397x480.jpg

beauders said...

ok she's a bit masculine looking but from my research she is married to a man and has three sons. actually i thought you were talking about the blond attorney that sat with casey throughout the trial.

katie8753 said...

I figured you thought I was talking about the curly-haired woman who was with Casey throughout the trial.

This woman was only hired to take action during the penalty phase, and since they didn't have one, she wasn't needed.

She is masculine. I'm surprised that she has 3 sons. But....whatta you gonna do. To each his own I guess. :)

fiona1933 said...

Cnt any of you undersatnd what hell that poor girl Casey must have gone through?
When a man dominates you, it sticks. If domination is coupled with abuse, it is next to impossible to erase.
That father abused Casey. You only need to hear him speak to hear sth is wrong. But more, listen to the jail conversation with Casey and her mother and George. Her mother says (this is when caylee was still 'missing') "the latest is, Caylee drowned in the pool"... and I just gasped, because the frozen look that came over both George and Casey, and Casey stammered out "surprise, surpise" which makes no snesne...
Now, just assume it is true. Caylee drowned. Why did the grandad insist on covering it up and make it look like murder? Because there was evidence to show he'd been abusing her. Kids drown all the time, no reason not to call cops, unless she has bruises on her legs, high up....
And in terror and from the long habit of domination, casey agrees. Then she goes home. Caylee's stuff is all over the place, her photos, her little shoes. Casey cant have a funeral, cant say goodbye...didnt any of you note that everyone said she was a very good mother who put her daughter above everyone else?

Casey loved her child, and now she's rotting in a bag in the woods and Casey cant tell a soul, no comfort, she can't even clear away her things, mustn't arouse suspicion. The poor kid, she must have felt she was going mad. What would you have done? I would have called some friends and done everything I could to blot it all out. Especially the knowledge that it couldnt be hidden anyway, that her father had abused Caylee too, that worms were eating her beloved child...Yes, look at her partying. It is hysteria. It is crazy behaviour. The behaviour of a person who is totally alone.

If she'd really killed her child, she wouldn't have done that! She'd have kept cool and pretended the kid was missing from the start and wept all over the place. It's the partying that shows that she didn't!

But above all, Casey was known to adore her child and the kid adored her back. No-one kills a beloved child to party. And the grandfather, just listen to his interviews. He is so clearly lying. He is sending his daughter to the lethal injection. Check out the video of the neighbours coming to yell at him when Caylee was "missing". they know he's a wrong'un. And he comes after them, totally psycho.

Poor poor Casey. As if it's not enough to be abused, left to raise a kid alone, to have her drown, to have your own father send you to die...even when acquitted people still won't believe in her.